[Futuregen] Minutes zoom today

Thu Jun 27 13:30:36 CEST 2019

Friends,

Thanks a lot for all of your input, it was very helpful. I’ve now tweaked the search terms a bit and extended the search range to include both titles and abstracts for all search terms. This has indeed generated a dramatic increase in hits. My last search generated >7400 hits. So, the next step for me will be to sift through at least parts of this haystack to see whether I can come up with a handful of “model papers” to show the search consultation unit at KI. I intend to do this later in July, as I’m about to take of for the first part of my summer holidays.

In terms of the health outcomes, I certainly see your point Susan. Nevertheless, I would still like us to keep the focus on functional limitations in WP1 – as they are key drivers of care needs, have a high face validity, and can be measured fairly robustly in social surveys . So, my thinking is that we include both disabilities (ADLs and IADLs) and mobility limitations in the review. Then we can hone in on mobility limitations (or/and other comparable indicators of functional limitations) in the Europe/Canada comparisons. What do you think, would this make sense?

All the best,

Stefan

Från: Susan Phillips [mailto:phillip at queensu.ca]
Skickat: den 26 juni 2019 22:42
Till: rodrigues <rodrigues at euro.centre.org>
Kopia: Stefan Fors <stefan.fors at ki.se>; futuregen at euro.centre.org
Ämne: Re: [Futuregen] Minutes zoom today

I am annoyed with myself for having the wrong time in my calendar for today's Zoom. It was my mistake as Eszter sent the times long ago. But - -

I thought the Canadian datasets don't really have ADLs in them which would make it hard to use these as outcomes.

I am now about to leave town and have 10 days of holiday so won't be doing much of anything on the search but will respond to emails.

On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 at 13:48, rodrigues <rodrigues at euro.centre.org<mailto:rodrigues at euro.centre.org>> wrote:
Dear Susan,

Thanks a lot for the inputs below.
I'm commenting now so as not to lose momentum.
Regarding your first comment on Stefan's review:
what you propose is to replace ADLs and IADLs/disability with broader terms in health, right? Question is whether Stefan will be limiting his research to ADLs afterwards - if yes, then perhaps ADLs and IADLs et al would be sufficient to inform our research?

On your review:
I understand your reserves on researchers that may have done intersectionality without using the term(s). Wouldn't cross-checking the references of the papers included be sufficient? I'm fine with scanning excluded papers, but isn't that the same as looking at the 7000 papers altogether? I don't see the difference...

It was a pity we couldn't all talk together now, but no worries, Susan. We will remind all of the time bext time around (we also mixed up our internal WP2 zoom with Stefania today :).

Best wishes,

Ricardo

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

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From: Susan Phillips <phillip at queensu.ca<mailto:phillip at queensu.ca>>
Date: 26/06/2019 16:25 (GMT+01:00)
To: Ricardo Rodrigues <rodrigues at euro.centre.org<mailto:rodrigues at euro.centre.org>>, Stefan Fors <Stefan.Fors at ki.se<mailto:Stefan.Fors at ki.se>>
Cc: futuregen at euro.centre.org<mailto:futuregen at euro.centre.org>, Afshin Vafaei <avafaei at lakeheadu.ca<mailto:avafaei at lakeheadu.ca>>
Subject: Re: [Futuregen] Minutes zoom today

Hi everyone,

I had a different time written down for the Zoom session. I will respond to the minutes below in them:

On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 at 08:45, Ricardo Rodrigues <rodrigues at euro.centre.org<mailto:rodrigues at euro.centre.org>> wrote:
Dear all,

We had a reduced zoom today with only Stefan, Eszter and Ricardo. We
went through Stefan's and Susan's search terms and her was what we
discussed and tentatively agreed to share with you:
i) Stefan will include sex/gender and the socio-economic-related terms
not only in the title but also in the abstract. The same will be done
for his search term on "health". Stefan will run this search till end of
this week and report back.

I have been thinking about what the purpose of this review is. If it is to inform/ provide background for our research then limiting the outcomes to ADLs and IADLs is problematic. Perhaps you've changed the outcome as you seem to be taking about 'health' now.

ii) Susan and the others are kindly asked to check Stefan's search terms
(circulated in the e-mail by him before) and add suggestions or perhaps
spot any incongruence that would account for the very low number of hits
he had. Please do this ASAP so it can still be reflected in the new
search above.

iii) We interpreted the search terms sent by Susan as: she carried out
the search described in line 38 in her document, which includes all the
gender, race, socio-economic, etc, but not the intersectionality et al
terms. This might account for the large number of hits. We suggest to go
back to the search terms that include intersectionality et al (described
in line 37 in her document). Our reasoning is that we are focusing on
intersectionality, thus having this search on line 37 and then
cross-checking the references in the hits should be enough not to miss
out on anything major. Please state your views on this and if you all
agree with this, Susan could perhaps replicate the search for "care"
terms. Susan, it was not clear from the text you sent that the search
had been "full text" or not; could you please clarify this? Thanks.

The search was of titles and abstracts. Your interpretation of the search is correct. I have just asked the librarian to redo the same search adding intersectional. But - - here's what I wrote to him: Could you run the search adding intersectional as a keyword and see what happens to the numbers? I am thinking that we could do a scan of the papers this excludes to make sure we aren't excluding essential ones. The others say that since what we are looking for is intersectionality we should include the term. I don't agree - I think that there may be researchers who have done intersectional research but didn't name it as such and we want to find those papers. But maybe the approach above would satisfy everyone.

iv) We suggest to continue talking over e-mail. Regarding our next zoom
meeting, originally scheduled for 31.7, we would perhaps suggest that
this takes place the week after (5th of August onward) so that Stefan
could also participate (he is on holidays on the week of the 31.7).

Week of Aug 5th is fine for me. Just send me the time since I seem to need constant reminders! I could do Wed. or Friday of that week.

Susan

Looking forward to your reply. I will add this to the FUTUREGEN.

Best wishes,

Ricardo

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Director QuARMS
Director: Centre for Studies in Primary Care
Queen's Family Medicine
220 Bagot St,
Kingston K7L 5E9, ON, Canada

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